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. >> brown: washington was a-whirl today with more talk of avoiding the much-discussed fiscal cliff. but as november wound down, the president suggested an agreement on taxes and spending could come in time for the holidays. >> i believe that both parties can agree on a frame work that does that in the coming weeks. in fact my hope is to get this done before christmas. >> you know me, i was born with the glass half full. i'm an optimist. >> brown: hopeful signs emanated from the white house and the capitol today, about getting a deal before the new year brings automatic tax hikes and spending cuts. president obama offered his optimism at an event with middle-class americans who'd be hit by any tax increase. >> i'm glad to see-- if you've been reading the papers lately-- - that more and more republicans in congress seem to be agreeing with thiidea that we should have a balanced approach. so if both parties agree we should not raise taxes on middle class families, let's begin our work with where we agree. >> brown: one such lawmaker is republican house member tom cole of oklahoma. the
. >> brown: washington was a-whirl today with more talk of avoiding the much-discussed fiscal cliff. but as november wound down, the president suggested an agreement on taxes and spending could come in time for the holidays. >> i believe that both parties can agree on a frame work that does that in the coming weeks. in fact my hope is to get this done before christmas. >> you know me, i was born with the glass half full. i'm an optimist. >> brown: hopeful signs emanated...
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but the lack of any fiscal cliff talks worried wall street. the dow jones industrial average lost more than 51 points to close at 13,139. the nasdaq fell eight points to close at 3012. those are some of the day's major stories. now, back to gwen. >> ifill: in egypt, although one side seems to have clearly won, citizens are still awaiting official results of the country's constitutional referendum. as the sun rose over cairo today, opposition activists vowed to hold their ground against the newly approved constitution. >> what we all need as constitution is express the demands of all egyptians. we are here to say that we need constitution for all of us. >> ifill: sunday leaders of the national saltion front warned the document would give too much way to islamic law and curb the rights of women and the christian minority. >> we are committed to continuing our collective peaceful struggle in order to bring down this constitution through legitimate means as soon as possible. because it's a constitution that is not worthy of egyptians. >> ifill: pr
but the lack of any fiscal cliff talks worried wall street. the dow jones industrial average lost more than 51 points to close at 13,139. the nasdaq fell eight points to close at 3012. those are some of the day's major stories. now, back to gwen. >> ifill: in egypt, although one side seems to have clearly won, citizens are still awaiting official results of the country's constitutional referendum. as the sun rose over cairo today, opposition activists vowed to hold their ground against...
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cliff talks after meeting with president obama. the president said he's modestly optimistic, but he warned, "the hour for immediate action is here..." dock workers on the east coast and gulf coast postponed a potentially crippling strike. and retired army general norman schwarzkopf passed away at the age of 78. he commanded the coalition victory over iraq, in the first gulf war. online, we look back at what 2012 meant for the health care reform law and what lies ahead in 2013. kwame holman tells us more. >> holman: ray suarez talks with jay hancock of kaiser health news about the year in health care and what changes in coverage can be expected next year. that's on our health page. on making sense, liberal economist and columnist paul krugman has a mea culpa moment, dmitting to a mistake he mad an ourwn pl soan admits to a few as well as we come to the end of 2012. and you can look back at some of the most striking and oddest images captured by photojournalists this year. all that and more is on our web site newshour.pbs.org. margar
cliff talks after meeting with president obama. the president said he's modestly optimistic, but he warned, "the hour for immediate action is here..." dock workers on the east coast and gulf coast postponed a potentially crippling strike. and retired army general norman schwarzkopf passed away at the age of 78. he commanded the coalition victory over iraq, in the first gulf war. online, we look back at what 2012 meant for the health care reform law and what lies ahead in 2013. kwame...
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but all this talk about the fiscal cliff, the automatic tax riders and spending cuts are unnerving people a little bit. and also we don't know how much people have been biging into their savings earlier in the year. so in spite of positive economic news, people are still going to be cautious and that's going to mean a little bit of growth but not a huge amount. >> sreenivasan: barney jopson of the financial times, thanks for your time. >> thank you. >> sreenivasan: thanksgiving is a time to remember native american life and culture. and that was the life's work of edward curtis, a turn of the century photographer. his story is told in a new biography, "short nights of the shadow catcher" by journalist and author timothy egan, a previous winner of both the pulitzer prize and national book award. jeffrey brown has our book conversation. >> brown: in 1896 edward curtis took this photograph of a woman known as "princess angeline," the last surviving child of the native-american chief for whom the city of seattle was named. it was the first in what would become a decades-long project. one of t
but all this talk about the fiscal cliff, the automatic tax riders and spending cuts are unnerving people a little bit. and also we don't know how much people have been biging into their savings earlier in the year. so in spite of positive economic news, people are still going to be cautious and that's going to mean a little bit of growth but not a huge amount. >> sreenivasan: barney jopson of the financial times, thanks for your time. >> thank you. >> sreenivasan:...
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>> well, clearly they're very worried about so the called fiscal cliff at the end of this year. but that said, i think our view is that nobody in washington wants to be blamed for killing the economy so they will come together and, in fact, come up with some kind of compromise. just sort of basically drags out or phases out the, or ases in the austerity. just to paraphrase winston churchill, americans can be counted on to do the right thing after they have tried everything else. and i think we're in one of those situations in washington these days. >> brown: all right. >> if i could add. >> brown: real quick. >> if i could add, that fiscal cliff is a big deal it adds a lot of uncertainty to american business. and at the end of this year we're going to have almost 20% increase in taxes and take away of deductions, this is very troubling to american factories, american entrepreneurs. job creators right now are pausing. and we need some clarity. we need washington to make some decisions in a positive way to improve our future economic climate. >> brown: drew greenblatt in baltimore
>> well, clearly they're very worried about so the called fiscal cliff at the end of this year. but that said, i think our view is that nobody in washington wants to be blamed for killing the economy so they will come together and, in fact, come up with some kind of compromise. just sort of basically drags out or phases out the, or ases in the austerity. just to paraphrase winston churchill, americans can be counted on to do the right thing after they have tried everything else. and i...
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. >> talking about t fiscal cliff and everyone is talking about it including the u.s. federal reserve chairman ben bernanke. he warned the imminent fiscal cliff poses a stashlg threat to the nation's economy and does say cooperation to resolve budget worries could boost u.s. growth. >> the realization of all of the automatic tax increases and spending cuts that make up the fiscal cliff ab isn't offsetting changes would pose a substantial threat to the recovery. >> the central bank chief urged the government and congressional leaders to take prompt action. president obama is negotiating for a resolution with republicans but bernanke says delays in reaching an agreement would raise uncertainty over the u.s. economic outlook. he added avoiding a fiscal cliff is essential for the american economy. bernanke says a plan for resolving the nation's longer term budgetary issues without harming recovery could make 2013 a very good year for americans. japan's trade balance for october sank into the red for a fourth straight month. exports plunged due to slowdown in the global eco
. >> talking about t fiscal cliff and everyone is talking about it including the u.s. federal reserve chairman ben bernanke. he warned the imminent fiscal cliff poses a stashlg threat to the nation's economy and does say cooperation to resolve budget worries could boost u.s. growth. >> the realization of all of the automatic tax increases and spending cuts that make up the fiscal cliff ab isn't offsetting changes would pose a substantial threat to the recovery. >> the central...
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how to avoid the fiscal cliff. the two sides traded charges of bad faith as year-end tax hikes and spending cuts moved another day closer. on the face of it there seemed to be little movement today. >> no substantive progress has been made in the talks between the white house and the house over the last two weeks. >> sreenivasan: treasury secretary timothy geithner and legislative chief rob nabors arrived at the capitol this morning, for meetings with congressional leaders. house speaker john boehner also spoke to president obama on the phone last night. he said he wanted to know where the administration would rein in spending, but that he had heard nothing new. >> i was hopeful we'd see a specific plan for cutting spending. we sought to find out today what the president is really willing to do. listen, i remain hopeful that productive conversations in the days ahead can be had but the white house has to get serious. >> sreenivasan: senate minority leader mitch mcconnell echoed that complaint. in a statement, he sa
how to avoid the fiscal cliff. the two sides traded charges of bad faith as year-end tax hikes and spending cuts moved another day closer. on the face of it there seemed to be little movement today. >> no substantive progress has been made in the talks between the white house and the house over the last two weeks. >> sreenivasan: treasury secretary timothy geithner and legislative chief rob nabors arrived at the capitol this morning, for meetings with congressional leaders. house...
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when people talk about the fiscal cliff coming in 2013, it's not a crisis of too much debt, it's a crisis of ramping down debt too quickly. i think people need to realize that. the problem with the tax cuts expiring, the unemployment extensions expire, spending power will be sucked out of the economy that's been supported by expansions of debt. in the short term it's a good thing and it's a cautionary tale that yes we can be concerned about debt projections for 20, , 40 years from flow but we shouldn't let us blind us to the fact that the right thing to do here and now is to spend more money, financed by debt, in order to bring the unemployment rate down quickly. that's the real thing we should be focused on. >> woodruff: tim rogoff, how do you see about the danger of pushing that debt down too fast? >> well, i agree with josh that we don't want to push it down too fast but i don't agree we're talking about 30 to 40 years. our debt level is very high by historical standards. it's likely to weigh on growth in the united states for decades that our debt is so hgh already. you don'just wnt t
when people talk about the fiscal cliff coming in 2013, it's not a crisis of too much debt, it's a crisis of ramping down debt too quickly. i think people need to realize that. the problem with the tax cuts expiring, the unemployment extensions expire, spending power will be sucked out of the economy that's been supported by expansions of debt. in the short term it's a good thing and it's a cautionary tale that yes we can be concerned about debt projections for 20, , 40 years from flow but we...
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. >> in terms of the fiscal cliff, so far we are not seeing any big impact. >> reporter: not even an impact on retail which, for all the talk of online supplanting bricks-and-mortar buying, added 53,000 jobs last month-- much of it holiday hiring, no doubt-- but a healthy 140,000 overall increase in the past three months. not all the new numbers were festive, however. construction shed 20,000 jobs, though perhaps influenced by sandy. manufacturing dropped 7,000. grinchier still, job growth in september and october was revised down by 49,000 jobs. and for all the talk of a lower unemployment rate, its explanation seemed to be that several hundred thousand more americans stopped looking for work in november and were counted out of the labor force. again, economist holtzer. >> this month's change was driven completely by the fact some people stopped looking. last month's drop in unemployment really was driven by people becoming employed. the fact the unemployment rate has dropped from over 10% over the last two or three years part of that is real job gaining by some people and part of t
. >> in terms of the fiscal cliff, so far we are not seeing any big impact. >> reporter: not even an impact on retail which, for all the talk of online supplanting bricks-and-mortar buying, added 53,000 jobs last month-- much of it holiday hiring, no doubt-- but a healthy 140,000 overall increase in the past three months. not all the new numbers were festive, however. construction shed 20,000 jobs, though perhaps influenced by sandy. manufacturing dropped 7,000. grinchier still, job...
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. >> woodruff: when you talk about the fiscal cliff are the deadline is supposed to be january 1, but you've been out there talking about what can be done about that. among other things, you're saying taxes should go-- in other words, the bush tax cuts should be allowed to expire on everyone under $500,000. which is more than what the president is saying. he's saying it ought to be at 250. yet difference? and have you tukd him about that? >> sure, yeah, yeah, it was over 500, not under 500. yeah, i-- that position, judy, is one that i put on the table a year ago. and i'll tell you why. there isn't anything sort of theological about the $500,000 number. it's just a compromise. the democrats' position has been tax cuts to expire over 250. the republicans' position has been make all the tax cuts permanent. so a year ago i put a of a compromise on the table. if that compromise were accepted, it would raise $500 billion in revenue over the next 10 years, which would take the potential trillion-dollar sequester and cut it in half. and there arar a couple of other steps i put on the table du
. >> woodruff: when you talk about the fiscal cliff are the deadline is supposed to be january 1, but you've been out there talking about what can be done about that. among other things, you're saying taxes should go-- in other words, the bush tax cuts should be allowed to expire on everyone under $500,000. which is more than what the president is saying. he's saying it ought to be at 250. yet difference? and have you tukd him about that? >> sure, yeah, yeah, it was over 500, not...
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we have fiscal cliffs hanging at the end of the year, taxes expiring, triggers on spending, they should talk about substance and what they would do for the untry and solvehe country's problems. >> woodruff: linda killian author of the new book on the swing vote "the untapped power of independents." thank you very much. >> thank you for having me. >> woodruff: you can watch those "listen to me" videos on our politics page. >> ifill: now, the alarming rise in diabetes among the young. nearly one out of every four american teens either has the disease, or is at risk. those numbers are prompting a series of efforts to combat obesity. the disney company announced yesterday it will be the first major media company to ban junk food advertising to kids on tv, radio and the web. but doctors say that, when it comes to kids, the dangers of diabetes are even harder to treat than they expected. "newshour" health correspondent betty ann bowser has the story. >> reporter: 16-year-old shannon conder knows sacrifice about as well as anybody her age. >> she's pretty typical. a vary sedentary child. reall
we have fiscal cliffs hanging at the end of the year, taxes expiring, triggers on spending, they should talk about substance and what they would do for the untry and solvehe country's problems. >> woodruff: linda killian author of the new book on the swing vote "the untapped power of independents." thank you very much. >> thank you for having me. >> woodruff: you can watch those "listen to me" videos on our politics page. >> ifill: now, the alarming...
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cliff. tonight we hear from economist paul krugman. >> i don't think there's going to be much of a deal. i think there's going to be a kind of... there will be an outcome. >> woodruff: from haiti, fred de sam lazaro reports on the efforts to stem a deadly cholera epidemic that began after the 2010 earthquake. >> ifill: and ray suarez talks to author and journalist tom ricks about what he describes as the decline of american military leadership. >> today nobody gets credit for anything and mediocrity is accepted as a core value in the performance of generals. >> ifill: that's all ahead on tonight's newshour. major funding for the pbs newshour has been provided by: moving our economy for 160 years. bnsf, the engine that connects us. >> and by the bill and melinda gates foundation. dedicated to the idea that all people deserve the chance to live a healthy, productive life. and with the ongoing support of these institutions and foundations. and... this program was made possible by the corporatio
cliff. tonight we hear from economist paul krugman. >> i don't think there's going to be much of a deal. i think there's going to be a kind of... there will be an outcome. >> woodruff: from haiti, fred de sam lazaro reports on the efforts to stem a deadly cholera epidemic that began after the 2010 earthquake. >> ifill: and ray suarez talks to author and journalist tom ricks about what he describes as the decline of american military leadership. >> today nobody gets...
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and congress went home for the christmas holiday with no fiscal cliff agreement in sight. online, we look at some of the most popular new words of the year, according to one popular lexicon. hari sreenivasan tells us more. >> sreenivasan: what are the buzzwords of 2012? and do you know what they mean? quiz yourself on the most popular new vernacular from urban dictionary. we kept our political analysts sy this year. tch a compilation of highlights from our doubleheader conversations, on the sport of politics and politics of sports, with mark shields and david brooks. and in a follow-up to yesterday's "making sense" story, paul solman pushes author james livingston on his view that spending is better than private investment. all that and more is on our web site, newshour.pbs.org. judy. >> woodruff: and that's the newshour for tonight. on monday, we'll have the latest on the connecticut shootings. before we go, we want to remind you about the special pbs broadcast tonight, "after newtown". the program will explore gun availabili, mental health, and other issues whichave come
and congress went home for the christmas holiday with no fiscal cliff agreement in sight. online, we look at some of the most popular new words of the year, according to one popular lexicon. hari sreenivasan tells us more. >> sreenivasan: what are the buzzwords of 2012? and do you know what they mean? quiz yourself on the most popular new vernacular from urban dictionary. we kept our political analysts sy this year. tch a compilation of highlights from our doubleheader conversations, on...
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and they are under mounting pressure to avoid going off the much-talked-about fiscal cliff. come january 1, the bush-era tax cuts will expire as will a 2% payroll tax cut that was passed in december of 2010. at the same time, large automatic spending cuts would begin to bite-- 10% less for defense in 2013 and an 8% cut in domestic programs. the result-- according to federal reserve chairman ben bernanke-- could be disastrous. he said this in july, citing the congressional budget office. >> the c.b.o. has estimated that if the full range of tax increases and spending cuts were allowed to take effect, a scenario widely referred to as the fiscal cliff-- a shallow recession would occur early next year and about one and a quarter million fewer jobs would be created in 2013. today, in a new estimate, c.b.o. said that extending all tax breaks, other than theayro tax cut, would boost growth by nearly 1.5% next year. and it said raising taxes just for individuals earning more than $200,000 a year would not significantly hurt growth. a deal on taxes and spending and deficits eluded th
and they are under mounting pressure to avoid going off the much-talked-about fiscal cliff. come january 1, the bush-era tax cuts will expire as will a 2% payroll tax cut that was passed in december of 2010. at the same time, large automatic spending cuts would begin to bite-- 10% less for defense in 2013 and an 8% cut in domestic programs. the result-- according to federal reserve chairman ben bernanke-- could be disastrous. he said this in july, citing the congressional budget office....
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there was hopeful talk today about avoiding the "fiscal cliff" after president obama met with congressional leaders at the white house. a series of tax increases and spending cuts will kick in on january 1, unless the two sides can come to agreement. today, the president said action is of the essence. >> our challenge is to make sure that, you know, we are able to cooperate together, work together, find some common ground, make some tough compromises, build some consensus to do the people's business. and what the folks are looking for, and i think all of us agree on this, is action. >> holman: afterward, house and senate leaders expressed confidence they can get a deal. the president is pushing for high-income earners to pay more in taxes. and house speaker john boehner said republicans are willing to offer higher tax revenue as part of a deal. >> to show our seriousness we've put revenue on the table, as long as it's accompanied by significant spending cuts. and while we're going to continue to have revenue on the table, it's going to be incumbent for my colleagues to show the american peo
there was hopeful talk today about avoiding the "fiscal cliff" after president obama met with congressional leaders at the white house. a series of tax increases and spending cuts will kick in on january 1, unless the two sides can come to agreement. today, the president said action is of the essence. >> our challenge is to make sure that, you know, we are able to cooperate together, work together, find some common ground, make some tough compromises, build some consensus to do...
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. >> woodruff: then, we turn to the standoff over the fiscal cliff. kwame holman updates the state of the negotiations and we talk with tennessee republican senator bob corker. >> ifill: jeffrey brown examines new concerns over syria's chemical weapons capability and what, if anything, the u.s. can do about it. >> woodruff: from florida, hari sreenivasan has the story of endangered coral reefs. many of them dying because ocean temperatures are rising and the waters are more acidic. >> i remember seeing fields of elkorn ral that you couldn't see throh it and you couldn't see beyond it and those same areas are dead you know 99% dead. ♪ >> ifill: and we close with a remembrance of jazz great dave brubeck who died today, one day shy of his 92nd birthday. >> woodruff: that's all ahead on tonight's newshour. major funding for the pbs newshour has been provided by: and with the ongoing support of these institutions and foundations. and... this program was made possible by the corporation for public broadcasting. and by contributions to your pbs station fro
. >> woodruff: then, we turn to the standoff over the fiscal cliff. kwame holman updates the state of the negotiations and we talk with tennessee republican senator bob corker. >> ifill: jeffrey brown examines new concerns over syria's chemical weapons capability and what, if anything, the u.s. can do about it. >> woodruff: from florida, hari sreenivasan has the story of endangered coral reefs. many of them dying because ocean temperatures are rising and the waters are more...
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before we talk about the election and the fiscal cliff, mark this bombshell today that cia director david petraeus stepping down after acknowledging an affair, once the brightest light in the united states military. >> yes, i mean, the flag officer of his generation, really. i think it's fair to say. people start talking about you running for president, it is itself a great tribute. but at this do feel badly. i feel that the man has given 35 years, more now, two years in the cia, of his career, of his life for his country and public service. and one-- as ronald reagan said a lot of things some of which were wise. one of the really dumb things ha said that the best minds are not in government. if they were business would liar them away. well, david petraeus and a lot of other people in civilian and military really great minds and great public servants. i just want to kind of think about that right now and be grateful for the service he's rendered to his country. >> i saw him a couple of weeks ago and i asked him about what it was like to be with the cia. i know he loved the military and hi
before we talk about the election and the fiscal cliff, mark this bombshell today that cia director david petraeus stepping down after acknowledging an affair, once the brightest light in the united states military. >> yes, i mean, the flag officer of his generation, really. i think it's fair to say. people start talking about you running for president, it is itself a great tribute. but at this do feel badly. i feel that the man has given 35 years, more now, two years in the cia, of his...
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. >> ifill: it's not like the fiscal cliff issue-- which we have talked about on this program a lot-- is something that came out of nowhere. both side, the romney campaign, and the obama campaign, though they didn't talk about it much they knew this was going to be the first thing up when and if they won. have there been negotiations that we don't see trying to get ahead of this? >> well, i mean, the-- the surprise of this election isn't the fiscal cliff. everybody knows that was coming. the surprise of this election is that we spent all this time and all this money and we ended up actually almost exactly where we started in terms of the people who have to negotiate this thing out. what that means is their only option is to compromise. there is no other option. they said for a year, the election will resolve this one way or the other. well, now they have got to compromise. there are conversations going on behind the scenes for sure. and they have been for a while. but they've been informal so no one was forced prior to the election to see a story running on pbs or in the "wall street
. >> ifill: it's not like the fiscal cliff issue-- which we have talked about on this program a lot-- is something that came out of nowhere. both side, the romney campaign, and the obama campaign, though they didn't talk about it much they knew this was going to be the first thing up when and if they won. have there been negotiations that we don't see trying to get ahead of this? >> well, i mean, the-- the surprise of this election isn't the fiscal cliff. everybody knows that was...
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. >> brown: one item on the agenda is the so-called fiscal cliff , and that was the focus of a white house meeting today with liberal leaders. we talk with two participants. >> ifill: plus, from "our food for nine billion" series, special correspondent mary kay magistad reports on china's moves to satisfy a growing demand for meat. it has transformed lives and diets over the past 30 years meat con suption per cap to has quadrupled and city dwellers eat twice as much meat on average as those in the countryside. >> ifill: that's all ahead on tonight's newshour. major funding for the pbs newshour has been provided by: moving our economy for 160 years. bnsf, the engine that connects us. >> intel. sponsors of tomorrow. >> and by the bill and melinda gates foundation. dedicated to the idea that all people deserve the chance to live a healthy, productive life. and with the ongoing support of these institutions and foundations. and... this program was made possible by the corporation for public broadcasting. and by contributions to your pbs station from viewers like you. thank you. >> brown:
. >> brown: one item on the agenda is the so-called fiscal cliff , and that was the focus of a white house meeting today with liberal leaders. we talk with two participants. >> ifill: plus, from "our food for nine billion" series, special correspondent mary kay magistad reports on china's moves to satisfy a growing demand for meat. it has transformed lives and diets over the past 30 years meat con suption per cap to has quadrupled and city dwellers eat twice as much meat...
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or go say hey this guy won't talk about the fiscal cliff, i will cut a deal. i will cut a deal to so we don't go off the fiscal cliff so business can have some confidence that would be the sort of unusual thing i think would be a practical thing that would be believable. >> and so is that right? what romney needs to do is go in and talk about you know name four things. >> well, three, not four. >> three things. >> maybe two or three, no more than three. >> judy, he has to understand this, first of all. the first debate helps the challenger. because for the first time the challenger is stand on the same stage with the president. and the fact that he is not blown away or there is not an enormous gap between the two, the challenge, whoever the challenger is benefits from that. and he's got to stay within himself. he can't be somebody he isn't. the problem that mitt romney has in addition to being the terrible word of somehow being too rich, and not understanding ode people,s that he, that he doesn't seem authentic so i think he's got to be absolutely within himse
or go say hey this guy won't talk about the fiscal cliff, i will cut a deal. i will cut a deal to so we don't go off the fiscal cliff so business can have some confidence that would be the sort of unusual thing i think would be a practical thing that would be believable. >> and so is that right? what romney needs to do is go in and talk about you know name four things. >> well, three, not four. >> three things. >> maybe two or three, no more than three. >> judy, he...
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cliff. this is what we have to get through first, and then we'll move to immigration. and the world is sometimes an untidy place. >> as some we would remember would say. >> i don't think they'd be talking about sex scandals and e-mails today. let me ask you both, one of the things that sort of has been submerged in all this, that the presidt has list as o of his priorities, is the tank wind-down from afghanistan. that's tougher than it lookes, isn't it, martha? >> i think it's tougher than it looks. there is part of me this week when general allen was first implicated that i thought, the military is going to have a harder time now arguing. they've lost a little juice in this one. and it is the period of-- petraeus is out. but, i mean, in terms of the military. but with this kind of cloud over allen and him coming to the president and biden, who would probably just as soon get out there-- get out of afghanistan even sooner, i think that will be something very interesting to watch. because it'
cliff. this is what we have to get through first, and then we'll move to immigration. and the world is sometimes an untidy place. >> as some we would remember would say. >> i don't think they'd be talking about sex scandals and e-mails today. let me ask you both, one of the things that sort of has been submerged in all this, that the presidt has list as o of his priorities, is the tank wind-down from afghanistan. that's tougher than it lookes, isn't it, martha? >> i think it's...